Gun laws in USA??

[stui magpie]

I'm completely sidestepping the whole Syria thing and going back to the US.

Wokko's posts about the armed militia is the history behind the 2nd amendment, but it has little real relevance today other than being used as an excuse to keep guns, likely fed from the arms manufacturers via the NRA.

The USA is actually quite a diverse country as the population is spread out, so you have different categories of people who own guns.

1. Criminals and gangs. No explanation needed.

2. People who hunt. These are not your New Yorkers or Southern Californians, these people are more Texas and mid west, where they have places to go hunting. Disparage these people as rednecks and hilbillys, but you have generations of entitlement to own weapons and go hunting here.

3. Self defence. While those in category 2 also spill into this one, this is where all the New Yorkers and So Cal gun owners fit. They know the crooks have guns, so they have them too.

4. People who just like guns. Plenty of them, no more explanation needed.

5. paranoid nut jobs who stockpile weapons in case the government goes feral. Very small percent of the population.

So what do you do? Gun laws are controlled by the states. California has the strictest gun laws in the country, but you can just drive to a neighboring state, buy your assault rifles and bring them home, even though you may be in shit if you get caught.

So even though there is some argument that the states with the strictest gun laws have less gun deaths, while there's so many of them and so easy to get elsewhere, the data would be flawed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/27/states- ... ks-up.html

Short of a referendum (or whatever they need to do to change the 2nd amendment) they're limited to screwing around the edges with imposing licencing and registration, while confiscating and destroying ones when people aren't compliant.

It's a different culture to Australia, in fact it's a lot of different cultures. We don't have a uniform culture here either.

[pietillidie]

Vox has probably been the best at sifting through the data on this. See this article and related links and articles: https://www.vox.com/2018/12/10/18134232 ... -shootings

Looking at the charts, the frightening thought for Australia is what would happen if you added an increase in guns to its current rate of violence

[stui magpie]

I agree with the premise but some of the data they use, being drawn from different sources with potentially different definitions, is counter intuitive.

NZ having higher rates of gun homicide than us for example while not making the page on general violence.

There's also a point they touched on but didn't fully explore, and that's the proliferation of handguns in the USA compared to other countries. Makes a hell of a difference.

[Wokko]

Vox is trash

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

[Pies4shaw]

Vox has probably been the best at sifting through the data on this. See this article and related links and articles: https://www.vox.com/2018/12/10/18134232 ... -shootings

Looking at the charts, the frightening thought for Australia is what would happen if you added an increase in guns to its current rate of violence

Fascinating statistics. "More guns than people".

[pietillidie]

Vox is trash

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/vox/

Its left bias is no secret; however, that doesn't tell you if the gun data and links so provided are inaccurate or poor. You need to use discretion to determine that.

Have you gone through the data on that page? Is there anything inaccurate that you wish to report? Are there missing data or studies which should be considered? Where does your interpretation differ?

[David]

A rare successful gun-control measure:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ve-them-up

[think positive]

Well done trump

[David]

[Wokko]

It's Trumps thing, any 'credit' belongs to him. It's a useless measure banning a useless range toy you can replicate the effect with a rubber band. When banned in New Jersey, ZERO people handed them in.

[Skids]

It's Trumps thing, any 'credit' belongs to him. It's a useless measure banning a useless range toy you can replicate the effect with a rubber band. When banned in New Jersey, ZERO people handed them in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdAhTxyP64

[stui magpie]

It's Trumps thing, any 'credit' belongs to him. It's a useless measure banning a useless range toy you can replicate the effect with a rubber band. When banned in New Jersey, ZERO people handed them in.

OK, How? Back in the 80's me and a mate converted a semi auto .22 to a fully auto .22 with a file. (with sawn off stock and barrell plus added silencer we'd probably get 10 years each now)

I know how a gun action works and I can't think of how you could make a semi auto quasi fully auto with a rubber band.

[Wokko]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... VfwFP_RwTQ

[stui magpie]

OK, I call bullshit.

1, The curve of the trigger isn't conducive to having a rubber band pulling the back of it.

2. The band is supposedly holding the trigger forward, while the finger is pushing it back to the two things are contradicting each other.

From a mechanical engineering perspective I just can't see how that could work.

[Wokko]

I've seen a lot of posts from people saying they've done it. Looks stupid, wastes ammo and can't shoot straight but apparently it's a thing. Can't really test it myself with the whole semi autos get you put in jail thing going on in this country