Post Match. Cats down Pies . All comments, please.

[BEAMER09]

Haven’t watched his post game presser as up till now they are as boring as some of our transition to fwd line

Delusional as someone pointed out earlier.

But should you decide to have a peek, here's a tip - make sure you are not eating breaky, lunch or dinner...

[PyreneesPie]

^ Ditto to the Zed and the MM posts above.
Zed, yep, there is nothing like the positivity and energy of youth, who don't carry the scars of events gone by, to improve team psyche. I reckon the efforts of Bianco yesterday showed just a glimmer of that.

[Said by Zed]

^ Ditto to the Zed and the MM posts above.
Zed, yep, there is nothing like the positivity and energy of youth, who don't carry the scars of events gone by, to improve team psyche. I reckon the efforts of Bianco yesterday showed just a glimmer of that.

Yeah, he’s a beauty! Has footy smarts and talent to match - reminds me of a young Licca in many ways….the extra physicality will undoubtedly come with growth and confidence.
We also have McGuiness, McMahon and Chugg to look forward to and we haven’t really seen the best of Ollie Henry or Rantall (who both seemed very nervous in the first few games).

[Pep]

Can we talk about Chris Mayne for a minute? Named in our best probably purely for possessions. I’m guessing he went at a high disposal efficiency with his 20 meter sideways kicks. I’m also guessing the setup and plan is to get the ball to him. Fly’s in the face of the be brave, attacking ball movement that we are apparently encouraging the team to take on as written on the white board. We need to replace him with IQ who can run and take the gander on and is a more penetrating kick. Moore is the same though his kicking is low and punchy which may lead to turn overs but you have to take risks to win games. Macrae took a mark at half back and tried to bite of an impossible kick into the middle, again, don’t mind it. I would rather be losing by 50 points than completely killing or ball movement to ensure we don’t get scored against the other way.

Billy Brownless gave Mayne votes as our best on... if Mayne has those possessions in the middle of the ground instead of D50 then maybe that’s warranted... but all those possessions and 400 meters gained, not good enough. He is probably the slowest decision maker on the field, and is a momentum killer.

There was good analysis on us at half time by brown, where Moore had the ball but kicked it to Mayne on the opposite side of where Moore was when poulter and sidey were relatively free up field but didn’t even look in that direction.

I remember that play from Macrae, I liked it and wasn’t overly upset it didn’t turn out, when he plays more he will kick that kick better.

[Pep]

I agree with TP that our main problem is our lack of a strong marking forward. I would actually go further and say we are missing both a FF and CHF. It's likely that Cox will return, once he's recovered from his throat injury, though I don't see him as being much of an answer to our problems. He was initially dropped, and has done sfa in the ressies. Looking ahead to next year, we have to hope that we can draft/recruit at least one power forward from somewhere. Once we do that, we will get a bonus of a much better return from Mihocek, who is a great 3rd tall, but not a FF or CHF.

By the way, I'm not going to comment on Buck's coaching per se, but in all honesty, despite losing so many games, we have been remarkably competitive most weeks, despite fielding a team with so many holes/weaknesses. We lack a good strong bodied midfielder, we lack outside pace, we lack any strong marking forwards, or a specialist crumber, and yet somehow we are competitive almost every frigging week. That tells me that we are doing something right. As frustrating as our season is, it would be good to see some acknowledgement from more supporters, to what our team is achieving, given the players at our disposal. The added bonus is the experience we are getting into our new players, who are being fast-tracked.

This is where most of my thinking goes Rudeboy, we can say all we like about the bucks and the game style, but somehow we remain competitive. I think we are and decent mid (or two) and marking fwd away from being half decent again... Adams out is huge and the loss each game he is out. And we haven’t in anyway replaced Treloar and Stevo have left huge gaps in the list.
Would we be 16th if it wasn’t for the disaster at last trade period? Getting no value for trades...
Melbourne will be a massive game to see how we hold up lol

[winpies]

[quote="I was hoping for a Blow Out as might mean Change would Happen Finally

That's the spirit! Wonderful support shown right there

Disagree with this philosophy. Love for Collingwood FC sometimes means that you are passionate about a change to the status quo when that status quo is unacceptable. If you see a blow out as the only mechanism leading to that, then you will hope for one. Refusal to consider such an opinion is simply blind acceptance of the status quo.

Sorry but I disagree with yours. The last thing I want to see is a team that just gives up and doesn't give a shit. I want to see them fight and do the best they can. The rest will take care of itself. If the club doesn't want Buckley as coach then so be it. If he leaves, then you are still left with a team that displayed no fight and no matter who the coach is...well..good luck to them. Who would want to coach a team with that attitude?

[58pie]

Harry O'Brien was and always will be a CFC Premiership player. This Lumumba guy got rid of our President (good or bad), installing a bankruptcy specialist, probably changed Bucks persona. Get lighted hearted fellows we can only go up from here. Go Pies

[mudlark]

Haven’t watched his post game presser as up till now they are as boring as some of our transition to fwd line

If you do watch it you’ll hear the “Our Brand” bandied around and how we’re Still trying to get the forward MIX right?? Same shite different presser.

[Johnno75]

He actually sounded like apart from goal kicking and our “execution” forward of the ball, he was rather happy with how we played. He even mentioned we controlled more of the ball and had more inside 50’s.

I suppose if your aim is to strangle the opposition and try and win a low scoring game to compensate for a lack of scoring power then he has us playing exactly the way he wants us to.

However remember Bucks the only time we looked like we had any chance was when we moved the ball quicker and used some angles inboard in the last qtr.

[SteveH67]

We have scored the least amount of points after the Roos.

That's how bad our attack is, even the Hawks are marginally better right now.

[warburton lad]

It was demoralising to consider the 'output' of our team over these last two games.

We kicked 1 goal 10 behinds after quarter time against Port

Then we kicked 1 goal 11 points to three quarter time against the Cats.

2 goals 21 in six quarters of footy.

Good lord, that is dreadful.

I would much rather the side play with some dash and dare and at least run to receive handballs and use the width of the ground to flip it around quickly.

Madgen at full-forward would be one of the most appalling selection bloopers of football history.

Would much rather have tried Kelly or even McMahon there- they are the future.

Hopefully McCreery, Tyler Brown and Adams back next week- if fit, Kelly must come in...

Would love to see Elliott and Cox in for the Melbourne game- we need to wipe the smiles off their smug dials...

[DT]

It was demoralising to consider the 'output' of our team over these last two games.

We kicked 1 goal 10 behinds after quarter time against Port

Then we kicked 1 goal 11 points to three quarter time against the Cats.

2 goals 21 in six quarters of footy.

Good lord, that is dreadful.

I would much rather the side play with some dash and dare and at least run to receive handballs and use the width of the ground to flip it around quickly.

Madgen at full-forward would be one of the most appalling selection bloopers of football history.

Would much rather have tried Kelly or even McMahon there- they are the future.

Hopefully McCreery, Tyler Brown and Adams back next week- if fit, Kelly must come in...

Would love to see Elliott and Cox in for the Melbourne game- we need to wipe the smiles off their smug dials...

Always enjoy your thoughts. Agree. Even Mick made some strange calls - eg 2003 grand final but Madgen is not a forward

[JC Hartley]

Snoozefests don't happen very often, but on Saturday afternoon, Collingwood were the architects of their own destruction after losing by 10 points against Geelong. The Magpies failed to score a goal in the first half, and only mustered one major in three quarters of footy, before putting the afterburners on in the last quarter by kicking 5 goals to give the Cats a fright, but the Woods left themselves with too much to do at the conclusion of the game. Maintaining possession was the order of the day, and for much of it, Collingwood were excessive with their switches behind the play, where players took the extremely easy option or did not spread ahead of the play or to the open wing, where there would normally be a group of players that would generate fast ball movement once the footy was switched over from congestion. For much of this game, Collingwood had too many players wanting the easy kick or mark from short and lateral kicks that ultimately discouraged the team from creating movement or chances to score goals, which proved to be telling. The Magpies made life extremely easy and simple for the Cats to defend the whole ground. Players need to start taking ownership and responsibility by making the ground bigger, and make it extremely hard for opponents to defend the ball and field position. Failure to do so, will result in more losses instead of victories that the club have not been able to gain in 2021.

Collingwood won most of the key categories from the contest, with disposals won by +7 (377 - 370), kicks were up by +2 (226 - 224), +5 for handballs (151 - 146), while uncontested possessions had a margin of +24 (272 - 248), and intercept possessions were won by +7 (59 - 52). Centre clearances had an advantage of +3 (10 - 7), tackles were up by +11 (53 - 42), with Tackles Inside 50 won by +1 ( 9 - 8 ), while uncontested marks (which was indicative of how both sides played the game) went Collingwood's way by +9 (121 - 112), and Inside 50s were won narrowly by +2 (44 - 42). Geelong won their categories from contested possessions by +11 (111 - 100), with clearances won by +3 (29 - 26), stoppage clearances were up by +6 (22 - 16), Contested Marks were in Geelong's favour by +1 ( 9 - 8 ), and Marks Inside 50 also had a differential of +1 (12 - 11). Hit-outs (28 each) was the only neutral category in dispute for this week.

Jordan De Goey (26 disposals @ 69%, 449 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 11 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 7 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 goals) was one of a few players that played with dare and looked like scoring each time he gathered the ball in his hands. De Goey was chiefly responsible for Collingwood's late surge on the scoreboard.

Jack Crisp (26 disposals @ 69%, 373 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 11 handballs, 6 marks, 6 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) has now become a permanent member of Collingwood's midfield in recent weeks, and he is adjusting nicely to the midfield minutes he has been getting lately. Crisp would be a potential contender for the Copeland Trophy with the added responsibility of being a midfielder, which blends in with his main role as a high half-back flanker who creates territory.

Brayden Sier (21 disposals @ 57%, 218 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 12 uncontested possessions, 10 kicks, 11 handballs, 9 marks, 3 tackles, 5 score involvements, 4 clearances, 3 stoppage clearances & 4 Inside 50s) played a different brand of footy to the role he normally plays. Sier is an inside-mid who feeds the ball off by hand, or kicks the ball forward from clearance. In this game, Sier played as an outside-mid with the amount of marks he was able to take, which might suggest he was one of the culprits who made life easy for himself, but not for the betterment of the team performance.

Darcy Cameron (19 disposals @ 74%, 283 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 9 uncontested possessions, 9 hit-outs, 14 kicks, 5 handballs, 8 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 4 tackles, 7 score involvements, 5 clearances, 5 centre clearances & 3 Inside 50s) thrived on added responsibility as the main ruckman after Brodie Grundy got subbed out of the game with a neck injury in the third term, which meant Collingwood's forward line became smaller once Cameron went into the ruck. Incredible effort from Cameron to win half of the team's centre clearances on his own. It said a lot about the Collingwood midfielders at ground level who couldn't get it done in there.

Chris Mayne (32 disposals @ 97%, 414 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 28 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 21 kicks, 11 handballs, 11 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements & 6 Rebound 50s) continued his prolific marking and ball-winning abilities behind the play, and maintained possession effectively.

Isaac Quaynor (28 disposals @ 79%, 256 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 12 handballs, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 6 Rebound 50s) played a sedate brand of footy, with plenty of short kicks to spare targets, while releasing handpasses that were generally under pressure.

Darcy Moore (21 disposals @ 95%, 314 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 6 handballs, 8 marks, 3 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) was not able to generate any scores from defence, so all he could do was maintain possession, which he did very well or kick to a contest when the options dried up.

Brayden Maynard (21 disposals @ 67%, 380 metres gained, 6 contested posssessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 6 handballs, 6 marks, 2 score involvements, 3 Rebound 50s & 1 goal) played fairly well, without tearing the match apart. Maynard spent most of the match kicking the ball to a contest, which did not gain much momentum nor traction for the team's ball movement on transition.

Steele Sidebottom (25 disposals @ 88%, 234 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 9 handballs, 10 marks, 2 tackles, 8 score involvements & 4 Inside 50s) spent much of his game across half-forward where he accumulated many possessions that resulted in a shot at goal. Sidebottom nailed most of his hit-up kicks when the short option was available for a mark up forward.

Trent Bianco (19 disposals @ 79%, 245 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 8 handballs, 3 marks, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 6 score involvements & 5 Inside 50s) had an extremely promising debut at AFL level, where he displayed composure and maturity beyond his years. When Bianco (a lifelong Collingwood fan) got drafted, he was likened to Sam Mitchell and Steele Sidebottom for his ability to kick well and use both feet. Bianco showed why the Magpies drafted him in 2019.

Brody Mihocek (9 disposals @ 44%, 183 metres gained, 5 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had enough opportunities to be an offensive threat, but unfortunately for Mihocek and the Magpies, he could not convert very many of the chances that came his way.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (7 disposals @ 71%, 174 metres gained, 6 uncontested possessions, 7 kicks, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 1 goal) replaced Jack Madgen up forward after half time when the experiment with Madgen up forward had failed abysmally. Hoskin-Elliott had an impact late in the game when nothing else worked for him.

Collingwood's next game will be on June 5 against Adelaide at Adealide Oval. At this stage, the Woods are being given the option to fly-in and fly-out on the day of the game. It remains unclear if further alterations are needed before the game is played on the weekend. This is a winnable game against the Crows in a season that has been shot to pieces. The Magpies need to know when to play fast footy at the right times, as slow footy is currently a faculty of how the team is currently playing right now. Work on getting that balance right next week, Woods!

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

I have no more allegiance to Buckley than the rest of you however until there’s a better option you go by what’s better for the team not take on an even further precarious position out of desperation

We're 16th, 2-9, struggle to score and just kicked 1 goal in 3 quarters. How much more precarious could it get?

do any of you think Hinkley (PA) or Cameron (GWS) can coach? They’ve been at their clubs almost as long as Bucks with arguably less success, more advantages, and far far less disruption?

Don't give a rat's about these clubs... someone recently was suggesting we should be glad we're not STK who have won 1 flag in 124 years. I want to be the best, not better than the worst

Until there’s someone better Bucks is the man warts and all. I want our club to be successful as much as all of you but if a new coach is appointed and we continue to implode as a club, and success is slow, they will be sacked within 3 years reminiscent of Melbourne the last 30 years or so.

Again, don't care about Melbourne, worst club in the last 50 years hands down. Fact is we are imploding right now and have been for the last 8 months. "Do nothing" should not be the mantra

If Buckley is to blame for our poor showing (which is yet to be proven)

It will never be "proven"... the question is whether his contract should be extended again after 10 years and 1 GF loss

the mental scarring and destabilisation may be too much for some and will set us back again another 7 - 10 years

Do you think our players are not being mentally scarred by the season we're currently enduring? Our last 7-10 years haven't exactly been super successful

[Rd10.1998_11.1#36]

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