Transgender athletes back on the agenda

[David]

[think positive]

but those black americans were real natural born women.

transgender should compete before they transition - this guy waited til he was 35 to become her, he had plenty of time - maybe he just wasnt good enough? so now she wants to try?

[stui magpie]

I'm posting Crikey links.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2021/07/22/al ... JFhorBHSDs

Really good article, unlocked, puts forward the case for sports participation to be along the lines of biological sex not gender identification and I think does it pretty well with a couple of glitches.

[David]

[think positive]

Transgenders are NOT actual woman, that’s the whole point, transgenders are transgenders, women who were men, nothing on earth, no operation or drug will change that ever. Even if they were born with a female mind, their actual biology will always be male. Gender is not decided by testosterone levels or surgery.

They are not a class of women that may have an advantage, they were not born extra tall, born extra strong, born extra fast, or extra talented, they were born men.

If transgenders feel the need, not right, to compete at the Olympics they should do so before they transition.

[stui magpie]

Hey, I said there were glitches

Hubbard is the most interesting case.

She is 43 years old. Not many weightlifters are going at anywhere near that age.

She competed as a weightlifter before transitioning to female at an age when most athletes careers have finished.

NZ would only take 1 superheavy (87+kg)female weightlifter to an Olympics, there is zero doubt she has taken the spot a biological female would have got.

Her training as a weightlifter before transitioning undoubtedly gives her an advantage, as does the rules.

Hubbard has been eligible to compete at Olympics since 2015, when the International Olympic Committee (IOC) issued guidelines allowing any transgender athlete to compete as a woman provided their testosterone levels are below 10 nanomoles per litre for at least 12 months before their first competition.

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sport ... 021-06-20/

So we're letting people compete in the Olympics against females with male Testosterone levels?

Doctors measure testosterone in nanomoles per litre (nmol/l) and the reported “normal” healthy range in males is anywhere from 9.2 to 31.8 nmol/L. It is about ten times lower in females, with “normal” levels considered to be between 0.3 and 2.4 nmoL.

https://theconversation.com/testosteron ... -do-113587

Testosterone is a prohibited PED under WADA both in and out of competition

[think positive]

So the drugs taken should prohibit them from entering, so why don’t the rules apply to them?

[stui magpie]

They aren't taking Testosterone, they're taking drugs to reduce their testosterone, the opposite of a PED.

I'm fully supportive of people who want to transition, but biology is biology.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUBAx8jbYNs

[think positive]

I didn’t say they were taking it, they take something though? How could it be legal?

But I agree!

[stui magpie]

It seems age is the great equaliser. Hubbard failed in her 3 attempts in the snatch and was bundled out of the competition, finishing last.

This article is about her and her dealing with all the attention.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-03/ ... /100346038

[David]

Good article, thanks. Hopefully a bit of a reality check to everyone bemoaning the end of women’s sport.

[think positive]

Yeah I’ll listen to Martina Navratilova and Caitlin Jenner!

[swoop42]

Clean and jerk, snatch.

Tonight's Olympic weightlifting program or Stui's checklist for his first night out in Darwin?

[stui magpie]

A little from column A.............

[stui magpie]

Just wanted to say congrats to the classy way North Melbourne had Danni Laidley back at the club during the week