Murphy's Law / concussion discussion

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jonmac1954 wrote:
neil wrote:Hope he is ok
If still playing next year better wear a helmet
May as well wear an easter bonnet - no headwear protects against concussion.

I'm not sure about fitting player with brain springs :lol: but Google Phil Narkle, he played in something that looked like a motorcycle helmet. I'm sure it can be done, potentially the NFL could lead the way with all the lawsuits they're getting, replacing the hard shelled helmets with a soft, springy, shock absorbing foam that drastically reduces the impact of a hit. mcCartin retired after his last concussion which wasn't even a hit, just his head hit the ground in a contest. There has to be a way.
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Not sure if this has been said, but given that Murphy is meeting with the AFL around the concussions, why isn't the Bryashaw of Melbourne doing the same given the outcry of his concussions.
Would be interesting if Murphy was directed to retire and Bryashaw was not...
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The Black and White Lion wrote:
Arch@M32 wrote:If he is ruled out then surely this is more worthy of a compensation pick in the draft than a player wanting to leave a club.
This is an excellent point based on the player getting injured in the workplace. Murphy was a late second round or early third round pick I think. Would the AFL secret compensation recipe match his original draft position or add a nominal draft pick?

Either way I'm sure if the club requested it the AFL will reject it for equalisation reasons, send us to the last draft spot, PSD, RD, SSP or MSD and then introduce the rule in the next CBA to the advantage of another team.
Derek Hine wanted him so much that he has said that if Jayden Stephenson wasn't available at pick 6, he was going to pick Murphy.
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Any updates on his playing future?
There was some talk of potential retirement with repeated concussions.
I assume with Kelly being delisted; Murphy will play on.
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^ The AFL are still undergoing testing / review, the outcome still undermined. First hand from the family, while he's currently fine and not suffering any symptoms, they are unsure of the outcome of that formal process.
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Is a helmet an option? It would at least overcome the problem of the errant headband.
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WhyPhilWhy? wrote:Is a helmet an option? It would at least overcome the problem of the errant headband.
Helmets do SFA.
The issue is the brain sloshing around inside the skull from the impact. Nothing can stop that.
Padding can decrease skin an fracture damage but nothing else.
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Post by Skids »

If they do SFA, why are the league considering mandating them :?

Tuck inquest hears AFL considering mandatory helmets for players


Makdissi, the former Hawthorn Football Club doctor, said the AFL had engaged a biomechanist in 2019 to help design a purpose-built standard helmet with correct designs and materials for Australian rules football, for the sport had typically turned to rugby union for guidance.
“More recently there have been helmets produced that seem to fit that [AFL] standard,” Makdissi said when questioned by Gideon Boas, the counsel assisting the coroner.
He said a standard AFL helmet could be introduced as early as 2024.
“There may be deployment that is suitable either next season or the season after. It’s close,” Makdissi said.

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His Agent Liam Pickering has informed me that he shall be fine to go for 2024. Hopefully not just agent speak.
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Skids wrote:If they do SFA, why are the league considering mandating them :?
Because the league is between a rock and a hard place and they must be seen to doing something.
Look AFAIK a concussion is caused by the rapid acceleration or deceleration of the brain within the skull.
Helmets protect [the skull] but do nothing to stop impacts causing the brain to slosh around.
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Helmet do work, they have them for motorcycles, pushbikes, scooters etc, they absorb some of the impact, yes the brain can move as well but studies have shown they lessen impact
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Do helmets protect against concussion?

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Before any discussion about the merits of helmets and their protection against concussion / TBI, best refer to qualified opinions / source :

Queensland Brain Institute ~
https://qbi.uq.edu.au/concussion/do-hel ... concussion

Wearing headgear for sport does not protect against concussion, Australian experts warn ~
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... perts-warn
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stui magpie wrote:
jonmac1954 wrote:
neil wrote:Hope he is ok
If still playing next year better wear a helmet
May as well wear an easter bonnet - no headwear protects against concussion.
I'm not sure about fitting player with brain springs :lol: but Google Phil Narkle, he played in something that looked like a motorcycle helmet. I'm sure it can be done, potentially the NFL could lead the way with all the lawsuits they're getting, replacing the hard shelled helmets with a soft, springy, shock absorbing foam that drastically reduces the impact of a hit. mcCartin retired after his last concussion which wasn't even a hit, just his head hit the ground in a contest. There has to be a way.
So you are actually saying (and believing) that the simple wearing of a helmet can stop someone's head being violently moved by a heavy impact????
Wow !
Because it is the violent movement of the head which causes the brain injury.
Don't take my word for it go to some doctor NOT involved with sporting politics and ask them.
Violent head movements can cause concussion.
Helmets do not prevent violent head movements from heavy impacts.
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Re: Do helmets protect against concussion?

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LaurieHolden wrote:Before any discussion about the merits of helmets and their protection against concussion / TBI, best refer to qualified opinions / source :

Queensland Brain Institute ~
https://qbi.uq.edu.au/concussion/do-hel ... concussion

Wearing headgear for sport does not protect against concussion, Australian experts warn ~
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/ ... perts-warn
Hear hear Laurie.
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