Our draft record under Derek Hine et al

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^ Jezza, thanks for the press conference. Much easier digesting it this way than via th video. Appreciate the work.

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Lets look at it another way.
When was the last time Hine picked an elite player?
Don't know...well it was way back in 2008 with Sidey and an excellent pick up in Beams at pick 28 or around that mark.
We picked up Ball and Jolly in 2009 ...both were rated as elite then. So that recruiting decision was relatively easy.
Since then....nothing in the A plus category.
Elite/A graders are what win flags and all the others are just fillers.
Hine has been filling the donuts for 10 years with no Hine specials to wrap our big mouths around.
Picking up Treloar and giving 2 top picks looks to me to be paying over. Treloar won't ever be a superstar.
Very good player ...yes...superstar no.
The recruiting of collingwood over the last 10 years both drafting and trading has been poor.
We had a rolled gold team in 2011 and immediately in 2012 started dismantling.that team.We traded out or retired prematurely many of our heroes.
We gave away guys like Witts for peanuts and a player like Seedsman who could at least run and carry and kick long because he didn't fit the culture.
We are where we are because of our choices and yes some of our problems relate to bad luck.
But the luck wheel always turns.

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^
Lets look at it another way.
When was the last time Hine picked an elite player?
Don't know...well it was way back in 2008 with Sidey and an excellent pick up in Beams at pick 28 or around that mark.
We picked up Ball and Jolly in 2009 ...both were rated as elite then. So that recruiting decision was relatively easy.
Since then....nothing in the A plus category.
Elite/A graders are what win flags and all the others are just fillers.
Hine has been filling the donuts for 10 years with no Hine specials to wrap our big mouths around.
Picking up Treloar and giving 2 top picks looks to me to be paying over. Treloar won't ever be a superstar.
Very good player ...yes...superstar no.
The recruiting of collingwood over the last 10 years both drafting and trading has been poor.
We had a rolled gold team in 2011 and immediately in 2012 started dismantling.that team.We traded out or retired prematurely many of our heroes.
We gave away guys like Witts for peanuts and a player like Seedsman who could at least run and carry and kick long because he didn't fit the culture.
We are where we are because of our choices and yes some of our problems relate to bad luck.
But the luck wheel always turns.

Here's a list of some of those players we traded out:
Wellingham - undisciplined (and wanted to leave anyway)
Heater - undisciplined
Daisy Thomas - his ankle was smashed
Dawes - one track pony who didn't have enough strings to his bow
Beams - family situation where he needed to leave
Marley Williams - undisciplined
Witts - lack of opportunity
Lumumba - discipline issues
Jack Frost - skill issues
Nathan Brown - age caught up with his pace
Cloke - age caught up with him

The problem isn't who we let go. All premiership teams have an attrition rate of about 10% per year. The problem is who we brought in, which has been the subject of robust debate for some time.

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[masoncox]

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In 2011 we traded to get back Marty Clarke from GWS.
Elliot was the steak knives in that deal..happened to be good knives
but the actual steak in Marty Clarke was no good.
We got Elliot almost by default.

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FFS peoples, let it go. The past is done and dusted. I'm only interested in how recruiting this year and beyond.

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