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- Clifton Hill-Billy
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It was like watching two drinks fighting each other. I'll take the win but it shows where we are at as a club, slightly better than the absolute worst. Not sure where the next W is coming from. Maybe a fluke against a better side (still bottom 4-5) cruising into the end of season, who just expect to beat us.
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I see us winning between 5-7 games total, should put us anywhere between about 12th-15th. Next year will very much depend on our young brigade mostly doing ok and us having a good year with injuries. Besides other issues. I'm not expecting us to play finals for a year or two - depends if we 'reset' or 'rebuild, but I actually don't see much point in resetting. I just can't see how we'd get the cattle as we have so little to bargain with next year.
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How many wins gets you 10th in a 18-team competition?
2019 = Port Adelaide (11 wins)
2018 = Port Adelaide (12 wins)
2017 = Western Bulldogs (11 wins)
2016 = Port Adelaide (10 wins)
2015 = Geelong (11.5 wins)
2014 = Adelaide (11 wins)
2013 = North Melbourne (10 wins)
2012 = Carlton (11 wins)
Average = 10.94 wins
Based on this, we can only afford to lose 5 more games for the rest of the year, which is unlikely.
2019 = Port Adelaide (11 wins)
2018 = Port Adelaide (12 wins)
2017 = Western Bulldogs (11 wins)
2016 = Port Adelaide (10 wins)
2015 = Geelong (11.5 wins)
2014 = Adelaide (11 wins)
2013 = North Melbourne (10 wins)
2012 = Carlton (11 wins)
Average = 10.94 wins
Based on this, we can only afford to lose 5 more games for the rest of the year, which is unlikely.
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My wishes pre-game were:
1. Win
2. Win by 4-5 goals
3. Score 100+ points
So happy with the win but while there were some positives, didn't think we played very well.
4th quarter was frustrating and the ease with which North moved the ball from D50 into F50 with 2-3 kicks was disturbing (same with GWS game) and the speed of their movement meant we often didn't have defenders back. Feel we're getting sucked up the ground too easily but maybe that's the modern game. Conversely, we struggled to get it past CHB and only looked good once we broke into our forward half.
1. Win
2. Win by 4-5 goals
3. Score 100+ points
So happy with the win but while there were some positives, didn't think we played very well.
4th quarter was frustrating and the ease with which North moved the ball from D50 into F50 with 2-3 kicks was disturbing (same with GWS game) and the speed of their movement meant we often didn't have defenders back. Feel we're getting sucked up the ground too easily but maybe that's the modern game. Conversely, we struggled to get it past CHB and only looked good once we broke into our forward half.
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Collingwood finally halted their losing streak by responding with a victory against North Melbourne by 18 points (3 goals). The Magpies were able to kick enough goals at the right time to keep the lead and ultimately win the contest with plenty of intercept marks and dash from defence, while the midfield division won the centre clearances regularly for a change, before the forwards were able to take enough marks and convert opportunities when they were there to be taken. Most importantly of all, Collingwood punished crucial errors that the Kangaroos conjured, which enabled the Woods to get a much-needed win after all of the media outlets had piled on the pressure and asked the same pointless questions that did not need to be asked in the lead-up to Saturday's match. I was relieved and ultimately pleased with the performance, and would like to think it will start a level of resurgence for the club to start chalking up wins in the near future. Plenty of work and boxes that need to be ticked off before they occur over the coming weeks, while the season is still in progress with plenty of matches left to be fought and won.
Collingwood won much of the statistical categories on offer, such as disposals by +49 (327 - 378), kicks were won by +13 (240 - 227), +36 for handballs (187 - 151), while contested possessions had a differential of +14 (133 - 119) and uncontested possessions were won by +30 (288 - 258). Clearances had a margin of +5 (29 - 24), with centre clearances won narrowly by +2 (15 - 13), stoppage clearances were similarly narrow with a differential of +3 (14 - 11), and +5 for hit-outs (25 - 20). Contested Marks were won by +2 (11 - 9), while tackles had a gap of +5 (49 - 44), and Tackles Inside 50 had a minute gain of +2 ( 10 - 8 ). North Melbourne had gains from intercept possessions by +4 (86 - 82), Marks Inside 50 were won by +5 (16 - 11), while Inside 50s were up by +3 (55 - 52). Uncontested marks was the only category that was in dispute with 101 marks apiece between the two sides.
Jack Crisp (31 disposals @ 71%, 665 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 20 kicks, 11 handballs, 9 marks, 4 tackles, 3 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 2 clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) spent a lot of time in the centre square attending centre bounces which gave the Magpies a point of difference. Crisp was able to find time and space through the midfield to pump the ball forward effectively and regularly. Crisp also worked hard defensively to link up when Collingwood needed a ball-winner in-tight behind the play and made himself a marking outlet for Collingwood's exit out of defence as often as possible.
Chris Mayne (28 disposals @ 96%, 200 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 24 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 12 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) played on the wing predominantly, before folding back to take regular marks in defence when Collingwood chose to switch the ball or maintain possession to create scores. Mayne was able to tick both of those boxes off effectively by sticking to his limitations nicely.
Brodie Grundy (25 disposals @ 88%, 239 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 23 hit-outs, 10 kicks, 15 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 4 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) comfortably won his battle against Todd Goldstein by outpointing him in ruck contests, won more disposals, took some marks and tackled with ferocity. Grundy gave his midfield enough opportunities to win the ball regularly and consistently throughout the game.
Josh Daicos (24 disposals @ 71%, 132 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 15 handballs, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 Inside 50s) had a solid game without having a huge impact. Daicos spent the game handpassing the ball to teammates who were in a better position to kick the ball. Displayed plenty of composure with the ball, even though it wasn't an overly great game for him.
Steele Sidebottom (22 disposals @ 82%, 260 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 8 handballs, 2 marks, 5 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 8 clearances, 5 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) had a dynamic game in the midfield for his 250th game, where he won clearances at will and used the ball effectively in general play.
Scott Pendlebury (21 disposals @ 90%, 300 meres gained, 7 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) spent periods of time up forward where he kicked 2 goals in the first half, before demonstrating his prowess in the midfield with his ability to win clearances. Pendlebury had not kicked a goal for the 2021 season until Saturday's game.
Brayden Maynard (32 disposals @ 81%, 574 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 28 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 10 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) found some much-needed form and touch, although he still had skill errors, which did not prove to be too costly. Won enough of the ball to still be damaging and effective for his team's benefit in general play.
John Noble (31 disposals @ 81%, 431 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 29 uncontested possessions, 19 kicks, 12 handballs, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) provided plenty of dash with run and carry off half-back combined with effective ball use, and gave his teammates an option to receive a handball at every opportunity when Collingwood could not play on quickly.
Darcy Moore (28 disposals @ 86%, 476 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 24 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 5 handballs, 19 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) returned to his normal habitat in defence, and put on a clinic with an intercept-marking masterclass that gave the Magpies a high level of safety and security to transition the ball from defence to attack with great reliability and consistency.
Isaac Quaynor (23 disposals @ 96%, 396 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 7 handballs, 10 marks, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 8 Rebound 50s) made a stark improvement from his previous game by reducing his errors, hit his targets and linked up in tandem brilliantly with John Noble.
Jordan De Goey (17 disposals @ 59%, 360 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks, 3 Contested Marks, 6 Marks Inside 50, 9 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 6 goals) kicked 6 goals for the second time in his career to spearhead the Magpies to their second victory of the season. Started like a house on fire in the first half, especially in the first quarter, and maintained his reliability and consistency over the course of four quarters.
Darcy Cameron (14 disposals @ 71%, 150 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 3 goals) had a big second half of footy to get the Woods over the line with a couple of big grabs and timely goals to extinguish the fire that the Kangaroos attempted to cause.
Collingwood's next game will be against Sydney on May 15 at the SCG. These battles against the Swans are usually low-scoring arm wrestles. Compete well in the contest, hit targets in general play and convert opportunities when they present themselves. Do the basics well against the Swans, Collingwood, and victory will be a very distinct possibility to generate momentum into a season that is yet to reach lofty heights.
Collingwood won much of the statistical categories on offer, such as disposals by +49 (327 - 378), kicks were won by +13 (240 - 227), +36 for handballs (187 - 151), while contested possessions had a differential of +14 (133 - 119) and uncontested possessions were won by +30 (288 - 258). Clearances had a margin of +5 (29 - 24), with centre clearances won narrowly by +2 (15 - 13), stoppage clearances were similarly narrow with a differential of +3 (14 - 11), and +5 for hit-outs (25 - 20). Contested Marks were won by +2 (11 - 9), while tackles had a gap of +5 (49 - 44), and Tackles Inside 50 had a minute gain of +2 ( 10 - 8 ). North Melbourne had gains from intercept possessions by +4 (86 - 82), Marks Inside 50 were won by +5 (16 - 11), while Inside 50s were up by +3 (55 - 52). Uncontested marks was the only category that was in dispute with 101 marks apiece between the two sides.
Jack Crisp (31 disposals @ 71%, 665 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 22 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 20 kicks, 11 handballs, 9 marks, 4 tackles, 3 goal assists, 6 score involvements, 2 clearances, 8 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) spent a lot of time in the centre square attending centre bounces which gave the Magpies a point of difference. Crisp was able to find time and space through the midfield to pump the ball forward effectively and regularly. Crisp also worked hard defensively to link up when Collingwood needed a ball-winner in-tight behind the play and made himself a marking outlet for Collingwood's exit out of defence as often as possible.
Chris Mayne (28 disposals @ 96%, 200 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 24 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 12 handballs, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements & 4 Rebound 50s) played on the wing predominantly, before folding back to take regular marks in defence when Collingwood chose to switch the ball or maintain possession to create scores. Mayne was able to tick both of those boxes off effectively by sticking to his limitations nicely.
Brodie Grundy (25 disposals @ 88%, 239 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 15 uncontested possessions, 23 hit-outs, 10 kicks, 15 handballs, 5 marks, 5 tackles, 4 score involvements, 5 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) comfortably won his battle against Todd Goldstein by outpointing him in ruck contests, won more disposals, took some marks and tackled with ferocity. Grundy gave his midfield enough opportunities to win the ball regularly and consistently throughout the game.
Josh Daicos (24 disposals @ 71%, 132 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 18 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 15 handballs, 3 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 clearances & 2 Inside 50s) had a solid game without having a huge impact. Daicos spent the game handpassing the ball to teammates who were in a better position to kick the ball. Displayed plenty of composure with the ball, even though it wasn't an overly great game for him.
Steele Sidebottom (22 disposals @ 82%, 260 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 14 kicks, 8 handballs, 2 marks, 5 tackles, 1 goal assist, 5 score involvements, 8 clearances, 5 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) had a dynamic game in the midfield for his 250th game, where he won clearances at will and used the ball effectively in general play.
Scott Pendlebury (21 disposals @ 90%, 300 meres gained, 7 contested possessions, 14 uncontested possessions, 11 kicks, 10 handballs, 5 marks, 2 tackles, 6 score involvements, 6 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 3 stoppage clearances, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) spent periods of time up forward where he kicked 2 goals in the first half, before demonstrating his prowess in the midfield with his ability to win clearances. Pendlebury had not kicked a goal for the 2021 season until Saturday's game.
Brayden Maynard (32 disposals @ 81%, 574 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 28 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 10 marks, 2 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) found some much-needed form and touch, although he still had skill errors, which did not prove to be too costly. Won enough of the ball to still be damaging and effective for his team's benefit in general play.
John Noble (31 disposals @ 81%, 431 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 29 uncontested possessions, 19 kicks, 12 handballs, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) provided plenty of dash with run and carry off half-back combined with effective ball use, and gave his teammates an option to receive a handball at every opportunity when Collingwood could not play on quickly.
Darcy Moore (28 disposals @ 86%, 476 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 24 uncontested possessions, 11 intercept possessions, 19 kicks, 5 handballs, 19 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 4 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 4 Rebound 50s) returned to his normal habitat in defence, and put on a clinic with an intercept-marking masterclass that gave the Magpies a high level of safety and security to transition the ball from defence to attack with great reliability and consistency.
Isaac Quaynor (23 disposals @ 96%, 396 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 20 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 7 handballs, 10 marks, 5 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 8 Rebound 50s) made a stark improvement from his previous game by reducing his errors, hit his targets and linked up in tandem brilliantly with John Noble.
Jordan De Goey (17 disposals @ 59%, 360 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 12 kicks, 5 handballs, 6 marks, 3 Contested Marks, 6 Marks Inside 50, 9 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 6 goals) kicked 6 goals for the second time in his career to spearhead the Magpies to their second victory of the season. Started like a house on fire in the first half, especially in the first quarter, and maintained his reliability and consistency over the course of four quarters.
Darcy Cameron (14 disposals @ 71%, 150 metres gained, 10 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 4 handballs, 5 marks, 2 Contested Marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 6 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 3 goals) had a big second half of footy to get the Woods over the line with a couple of big grabs and timely goals to extinguish the fire that the Kangaroos attempted to cause.
Collingwood's next game will be against Sydney on May 15 at the SCG. These battles against the Swans are usually low-scoring arm wrestles. Compete well in the contest, hit targets in general play and convert opportunities when they present themselves. Do the basics well against the Swans, Collingwood, and victory will be a very distinct possibility to generate momentum into a season that is yet to reach lofty heights.
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Well, that was difficult to watch. I was happy for the win, to be sure, but the process was ugly. Buckley has often commented about getting the points as well as the lesson. Well, I hope they got the lesson because the four points mean nothing this season. Any other team would have pulled us apart.
The structures are still deficient.
What was especially noticeable - even on television - was DeGoey's lack of defensive effort. Yes, he kicked a bag of six and he will be lauded for it and it will secure his 'superstar status' for another season, but it was largely gifted to him by North's coach. As more than one other has commented here DeGoey was all too often seen 'kicking grass' when there was a turnover and a defensive effort was required. It's sad because young McCreery busted his arse defensively (without a stat) and will likely be marked harshly for it while DeGoey is praised.
So much work to do....
The structures are still deficient.
What was especially noticeable - even on television - was DeGoey's lack of defensive effort. Yes, he kicked a bag of six and he will be lauded for it and it will secure his 'superstar status' for another season, but it was largely gifted to him by North's coach. As more than one other has commented here DeGoey was all too often seen 'kicking grass' when there was a turnover and a defensive effort was required. It's sad because young McCreery busted his arse defensively (without a stat) and will likely be marked harshly for it while DeGoey is praised.
So much work to do....
There are 10 types of people in this world, those that understand binary and those that don't.
I’m guessing with DeGoey getting his mis match, the instruction would be for McCreery to clear out and give DeGoey all the room he wants.David wrote:Yes, I noticed McCreery’s efforts too. Only four touches, but most tackles of any single player on the ground. Deserves to hold his spot imho.
McCreery will be feeling it about now. Even though he played last year, the step up is huge.
We might yet see Ginnivan as another small forward as the season rolls on.
He was impressive in the VFL both on the scoreboard and defensively.
Small sample size but he has been a consistent goal kicker at every level he’s played at.
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